Update October 24, 2012: We’ve created a new Electoral College Tie Finder that will let you play around with any combination of 11 battleground states. We’re planning to add 2nd District in Maine and Nebraska (one electoral vote each) to this in the next couple days, as what limited polling there is shows both are pretty competitive.
Update September, 2012: The post below was originally written in advance of the 2008 election. We’ve updated the relevant dates for the 2012 election. Separately, a few people have asked which candidate would win the presidency should the vote go to the House. Based on a review of the current race ratings underlying our 2012 House Elections Map, Republicans would have control in 26 states, Democrats 11. The remaining 13 states are too close to tell. Note that this is based on ‘safe’ and ‘likely’ races being allocated to a party. If this were to play out, Romney would have the advantage in a tie scenario.
What are the most likely ties? For those curious about actual tie combinations for 2012, there are 32 of them if we assume 11 battleground states (FL, PA, OH, MI, NC, VA, WI, CO, NV, IA, NH). Some don’t think MI and PA are true battlegrounds. We’ll let the voters decide, but just for purposes of the example, if we remove those, we are left with 5 tie scenarios. Finally, if we give NC to Romney and WI to Obama, we’re left with 7 states (FL, OH, VA, CO, NV, IA, NH) and a 247-206 Obama lead. If it plays out this way, there are two tie scenarios remaining. In the first, Romney wins all but VA and CO. In the second, he wins all but OH and NH. You can use the ‘Road to 270′ feature, which appears below the map on the home page, to see all tie scenarios associated with your own election forecast.
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Another close election may be coming up in November. It is not difficult to create a realistic scenario where the electoral map on election night is 269-269. What then?
As our site URL says, it takes “270 to Win”. If neither candidate gets a majority of the Electoral Votes, the election for President is decided in the House of Representatives, with each state delegation having one vote. Senators would elect the Vice-President.
It is important to note that an apparent tie on election night does not mean that there is actually a tie.The actual Electors meet on the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December (December 17, 2012 15, 2008 ) to cast their votes.Only about half the states have laws requiring their Electors to vote for the popular vote winner.It is possible that an Elector could cast his or her vote for another person.As long as that vote wasn’t for the other major candidate in the race, this wouldn’t be an issue — neither candidate would have 270.However, imagine a scenario where a single Elector in a single state switched their vote to the other party — the vote would be 270 -268.While very unlikely, it has happened before (most recently in 1968, although the election that year wasn’t close).If you thought the 2000 election was controversial, this outcome just might bring the Electoral College system to its knees.
More than likely, the election would remain undecided after the Electors voted.The new Congress meets in joint session on January 6, 2013 2009 to count the electoral votes (this count happens whether the election is close or not).If neither candidate has reached 270 Electoral Votes, then the House and Senate take over and elect the President and Vice-President, respectively.
UPDATE 6/22: Based on some feedback, we may not have made this point clearly enough: It is the new Congress, that is inaugurated the first week of January, 2013 2009, that will have the responsibility of breaking any ties.

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I have been looking at the polls you are basing your model from and there are some serious statistical errors. Just one example are the latest ohio polls of “likely” voters. The most recent of these appears to assume that 100% of the black population of Ohio is likely to vote given the polls percentage of black participants. While agree the likelyhood is someother in the 80% I seriously doubt it will reach 100%. I would even say that it could be as low as the mid 70% range this election cycle. This is just one of the assumptions I believe are not giving a clear picture of the actual momentum in this race. This is very much like the issue in the Carter/Reagan race where Reagan was behind in most of the polls by as much as 10% at this time in the race but Reagan actually went on to win by anywhere from high single digits to double digits in many of the same states. This very much feels the same to me when I look at the polls underlying assumptions and methodolgy.
I agree 100% that Romney will win by a LANDSLIDE!
And it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that this site is definitely pro Obama like 95% of the leftist media. What I’d like to know is where the hell they are getting this BS data about who’s voting what and where. It’s NOTHING but Obama propaganda…plain and simple!
And yet, the information here looks a lot like the poll of polls and the pricing in the Iowa Futures Market and the gambling odds as well.
Intrade, where people put actual money on the results, is very very close to what is on this site. I don’t see any left-wing bias here–the site has stayed fairly accurately updated to reflect most of the polling data.
Intrade is no different than betting on a boxing match. The odds are based on the house trying to have the same amount of money on both sides of the fence, it’s not the same as polling.
Intrade makes it’s money on membership costs. They do not choose the odds; the market sets the price. Regardless, a market maker still wants to have calibrated odds. Otherwise, one can profit off the mispricing.
IF Romney wins, it will most certainly NOT be by a landslide, it will be insanely close, however, you are fooling yourself if you think 95% of media is biased. Yes, 95% of Democratic media is Obama biased, sorry, get over it, however, media IS slightly leftist, yet it is becoming bi-partisan based on the growing population of moderate viewers who require the facts to make a choice. Get over yourself.
The media only cares about money. As long as the race is close, both campaigns keep spending millions of dollars on ads.
The statewide polls have shown Obama to have a significant and steady lead in the electoral vote ever since Romney became the GOP candidate. How long has it been… four or five months, and Romney has NEVER been in the lead. It’s not going to magically reverse on Tuesday. Romney is definitely going to lose.
the media is not liberally biased, i know you are trying to be considerate to what they are saying, but they are wrong.
the media is biased economically. They want to make money, they want views, they want ratings. They are sensational, they follow what’s hot’ and make things hot so that they can follow it.
Anyone who thinks the media is biased towards the left was conveniently told to believe that from right-wing voices
Yeah, just wait and see how smart you look today when the reality-based media shows you reality with a very obvious and predictable loss based on real statistical data and a “scientific” approach. I don’t think your party knows what “science” is anymore, so feel free to look that one up.
Obama sucks so badly no joke all of you idiots are so stupid voting that fat black man back in this dominant country well now were doomed to Hell
In case of an Electoral College tie, the new (2013) House will select the President and the new (2013) Senate will select the Vice President. What happens if the new Senate is a tie (50/50)? Is it the old (2012) Vice President that breaks the tie vote in the Senate?
If the new Senate is 50 50 the current Vice President would cast the deciding vote. It would be Joe Biden voting for himself. Now it is also possible for the Senate to nominate anyone they want. Let’s say Barack Obama. You could have a Romney/Obama adminsration.
Holy cow, wouldn’t that be just absolutely awesome… A Romney President and Obama Vice President. I think I would laugh myself into a coma. The utter contempt Obama has demonstrated for Romney during the debates is epic. Imagine him having to take direction from the guy who bested him in the closest election in history. Now that would be truly truly AWESOME. However, his arrogance and contempt would certainly lead him to decline the office if that very unlikely scenario actually played out. Now Biden on the other hand… well…. need I say more…..
Ha ha, yes, laughing myself into a coma is exactly what I would do as well. The only thing that could top that would be if Vermin Supreme was elected.
While an interesting idea, that isn’t how it would work. The 12th Amendment says that “…if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President…” In other words, senators cannot nominate someone else. It has to be of the top two vote-getters (presumably Biden and Ryan).
It is more likely that if this happened, and if republicans could put in whoever they wanted, they would NOT put in Romney. They would put in Ryan or another very conservative politician instead. They don’t like Romney much.
If it falls to a 269 tie, and the Senate is 50/50 the most likely scenario is:
1. Republican held House breaks tie and elects Romney the President, and he is sworn in on 1/20.
2. The 50/50 split senate will go defunct and not hold the VP vote until after the 20th. This unseats Biden at noon on the 20th. The country would shortly not have a VP, then the Senate would select Ryan.
Nothing in the Constitution states the Senate has to hold the tiebreaking votes immediately. Reference the election of 1800, where it took 37 ballots to elect Jefferson. It would only take one blue dog Dem senator, being promised a bridge or a military base, to put Ryan as the VP.
I agree. The House will break the tie and elect Romney. The Repubs in the Senate will delay the vote on a VP until Bite-me is out of office, and can’t settle a tie. Country wont have a VP for a short time…no big deal to anyone….buy one Dem vote and confirm Ryan 51-49. That is how our Govt works. Not the most ideal situation in the world, but it sure beats having Kim Jung-Un assassinating you with a mortar round.
the president of the senate (current VP) does not cast a tie breaking vote in this one situation. the 100 senators must stay and vote again, and again, until they have a 51 vote winner.
and even if they vote 50/50 all the way to jan 20th and romney is swarn in as president. the senate has to approve the ‘nominated’ VP with a 51 majority… if the 50 dems feel slighted by a deadlock, they may ‘lockout’ ryan, and force romney to nominate someone else.
all experts are saying that if Romney is voted by the house, the dems in the senate will give it to ryan even if they still have a 51 majority. but who knows…
Copas, I agree the Senate will give it to Ryan, if Romney wins in the house. After all a Democratic Senate gave the VP to Gerry Ford and Nelson Rockefeller in the 70′s.
But I disagree that the current VP doens’t break the tie for the new VP. If the writers of the 12th amendment didn’t want the current VP to break the tie, they would have said so specificly. And before the 20th amendment, it was the lame-duck Senate that chose the VP, like in 1837. So I don’t think the writers of the 12th amendment had any problem with a lame-duck VP choosing the next VP.
the constitution says in the 12th amendment – “a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice.”
senators make the choice… the vice president is not a senator.
it will be agrued, but the constitution does give the ‘who’ and ‘how many’.
Obama is clearly going to win look at this website http://270towin.com.
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I have some ocean side property to sell you in montana Michael LOL
How much do you want for it?
There is a slim to none possibility of a tie. The “pundits”
Never believed in the T-Party. There is a population of Americans
that have never been polled or taken seriously.
The country will hear from U.S. in 2012.
Sounds like the “electorate” didn’t believe in the Tea Party either. They took a beating this year.
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Don’t just look at the polls. Look at what happens in the actual ballot box when the ballots are counted on November 6, 2012. Votes are supposed to be secretive as defined under the constitution of the United States.
Look on the web to see where job fairs are going on and than you will know what happened during the past 4 years.
The jobs are mostly going to liberal areas, which are also retaining their high housing prices. Conservative areas are floundering. If liberals are so awful, why are the liberal cities in liberal blue states flourishing?
I live in and own businesses in Illinois….believe me, we are not booming. My family down in Arkansas and the Memphis area report much better business activity down there than here. Your theory, in my opinion, doesn’t hold up based on personal observation.
I thought the site was informative. I really didn’t see the BIAS that others see. Perhaps Americans should learn rather than yell at one another.
If the vote for President is tied in the electorial collage, just saying, and the following vote by states is tied does the magority leader of the House become President?
No, the best speller becomes President … which eliminates you
fred u dont have to be the best speller duh
no, the house members must stay and vote (state by state) until one candidate gets 26 state votes.
there is no situation where the speaker becomes president.
if the house can not come to a 26 majority vote, the senate voted vice president becomes ‘acting president’ until the house comes to majority vote.
Unless of course, the current Speaker happened to be one of the candidates.
Very interesting….could actually happen.
If both candidates go over 270, how is the winner decided?
That is a statistically impossible scenario
This comment string is mathematically awesome.
If it is the new Congress (2013), then who is Senate President? Is it still the current Vice President (2009)?
the president of the senate (current VP) does not cast a tie breaking vote in this one situation. the 100 senators must stay and vote again, and again, until they have a 51 vote winner.
I live in Texas a Rep. State that has gained jobs housing and education while telling Obama to shove his aid because it came with strings that would make our state a cripple like so many that took his so called aid. My thought is that when going to vote really look at what our President has done last 4 yrs then vote Romney. We need the country working so all those hard working men and women can reclaim pride. Yes Obama pit some to work in minimum wage part time jobs that doesn’t feed their kids yet I’m Texas without his aid we are working and can afford a home for our children. Think about it. Obama’s wanted to be with celebrities and be on TV and that’s what they spent last 4 yrs doing when should have helped the country instead of late night TV guest.
Just FYI, I am also from Texas and Governor Rick Perry claimed he was not going to accept stimulus money but he actually did. We accepted the aid money AND told him to shove it technically. Your whole argument was based on a Republican lie.
So what if:
A state has 6 reps in the House, 3 dems, 3 GOP – does each candidate get a half vote? Or does that state’s vote not count on that ballot?
One party does not show up for a quorum?
One party decides to filibuster? Does the Senate need 60 votes to break it?
An election for a House or Senate seat is too close and the winner cannot be determined without a drawn out recount?
After numerous ballots, the results are no winner, because each Senator and Representative continues to vote for his or her own party?
The Supreme Court gets involved and declares the constitution unconstitutional?
- minimum 2/3rd (or 34) states need to vote to make quoraum. and 26 states need to vote for one person. if a state is 3-3 they can choose NOT to vote. (and remember a rep does not need to vote party, they can vote popular vote or vote however their state popular vote went)
- parties have nothing to do with election process, so if members of a state vote don’t show up, the remaining state reps can still vote. if the full state is one ‘party’ and does not vote, see above.
- there is no filibuster in this process. the senate votes for VP from the top 2 electoral vote getters for VP. 51 votes wins. and the house votes for Pres from the top 3 electoral vote getters for pres. 26 states votes win.
- if a house seat is too close to call, the remaining reps of the state casts its vote. if a senate seat is too close to call, then remaining 99 senators vote with 51 votes still needed to win. the constitutions says “a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice.”
- if the house can not pick a winner by january 20th, the senate picked VP will be “acting president” until the house can come to a conclution. if niether a VP or Pres is picked, the congress can “declair” who will be acting president in “the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected”. until the tie is broken.
- the constitution can not be unconstitutional. SCOTUS can not overrule the constitution. the can explain what it says, and what it means, but they can’t overrule the electoral process.
*declare*
Thank you for the response. I have to think about the quorum issue. In the Senate, it looks like failure to achieve a quorum could prevent a vote to even be taken for VP.
The Electoral College has its own website.
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/
Looking through some of the old results there is an occasional independent-minded elector who votes for somebody other than the winner of their respective state.
this is true, but this almost never happens from one of the major 2 candidates to the other. a roge voter normally will vote for a 3rd party person, or for the VP as Pres and vice versa.
if the results are 269-269. even if the roge voter goes for a 3rd party. it would still be 269-268-1 (or whatever) and no candidate would make it to 270.
if 270 is reached with a roge voter flipping ‘sides’ it would cause outrage and most likely take down the electoral college.
Re you statement that electors from a state can go against the popular vote, BUT, in about 1/2 the states, the law in those states REQUIRE the electors to vote the same as the popular vote. and it’s policy that all electors in all states it’s winner takes all. So, if a state has 10 electors and the votes cast are, say, 6 to 4, then whichever candidate garners the 6 votes will take all 10 votes.
all states are not winner take all. (ME and NE are not) and ‘winner take all’ applies to whos party reps are appointed electoral voters… not how they have to vote.
you are correct that several states have laws against electors voting againsts there appointment… but that leaves 26 to 28 states that the electorals can go against the popular vote. it happens often.
and you are incorrect that if, say MN, (10 votes) has 6 electoral votes for obama, and 4 rouge votes for Romney… the votes are NOT all 10 for obama. each MN electoral voter has the right to vote how they want. as do all voters (unless there state has passed laws preventing it).
As much as I want Romney to win and do believe the polls are for scraps people believe in them and vote accordingly. To that end Obama will squeak out a victory. Sad to say but people don’t look at facts but flash.
It’s so clear to see the hate, simple hate for anything related to Pres. Obama from the otherside. They cannot comprehend & totally discount anything and ANYONE who supports our Pres. Those of us with a different view had to deal with 8 yrs of divisive Bush. The other side needs to show more tolerance for our overwelmingly elected President (2008), whether they like him or not. Tolerance is not one of they virtues.
What about the hate and contempt the liberal media showed to President Bush. Look at the things the left leaning media is sweeping under the rug. I saw little of the gun running, Lybia (part one or two) or his failed economic policy. Remember your words when Romeny is elected next week. Obama has had his chance and has done nothing for me other than take my success and give it to other people so they can have sex then have me foot the bill for abortion or protection. Dems always want more at the expense of others.
@ Mizzou
Monkey see, monkey do. In order to understand the intolerance that a great many people have, one has only to look at how rudely our news program hosts treat their guests or listen to the loud-mouths on “commentator” radio, or watch how our “leaders” speak to one another to understand that the thoughtless lemmings are just following along. Psychologically, we are merely human and our emotions often overtake our intellect. It is a sad fact of our human condition. There is a valid reason for the phrase ‘lead by example’. Today, we have terrible leadership. Civility is no longer considered a virtue in politics – or eleswhere.
It does appear that unless there are big changes, that a tie vote in the Electoral College would mean the HR would vote for Romney for POTUS and the Senate vote for Biden for VP. The HR votes for the top three vote getters in the Electoral College. If neither candidate achieved 270, then electors could vote on another name. (For example an elector might vote for Hillary – then the HR would have three candidates to consider. Let’s say that another elector voted for Rick Santorum. There would then be a tie for the 3rd position.) If there is a tie for 3rd position in electoral votes, would the HR be voting on 2 candidates, 3 candidate or 4 candidates?
the constitution says – “from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President”
it would be argued that if #3 was a tie, then the list of people would exceed 3 so the list for the house to vote from must be only for the top 2.
I believe congress will be ultimate battleground.
it probably will come down to congress
if u r catholic i cant see how u could vote for obama but like my great aunt who is chatholic she has a giant obama picture in her living room
if anyone has seen 2016 that is scary how this world will turn out to be, i almost expect it to be like the hunger games
If you understood the math, yes math.. You would know that 270towin does not do its own polling. It uses polls and averages them while removing outliers to stop the skewing of a data set. It then does the statistical probability of likely voters based on the average of the polls and comes up with a theoretical outcome based state by state. When each state is done its decides red, blue, or decides the state is too close to call by comparing the win percentage to the margin of error and determine if the state is truly too close to call. Please remember though that polls may be bias but more importantly that the sample sizes for polls are very small (1500 people is a large one) because they are small unless there is a few points of division between the candidates it is hard to predict how a million people will vote. Even adding all the none outlying polls and getting a larger data still leaves the site with a very small sample size but over all the site is based in math and is not bias. They are actually very fair as to the polls they use.
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Michael, the Big 12 expands just as soon as Maryland wins their suit. Now if Delaney swoops in and offers two more schools from tobacco road to give Maryland allies it could be sooner. Past FSU, Clemson, and whomever else is left in the ACC the Big 12 stays at 10-teams. I just don’t believe the Big 12 goes to 12-teams by adding SMU and Houston. Or Cincy and S. Florida, etc. One of those teams may end up in the mix to round out expansion, not to start it.
Mack I think the requirement is eight conference games, so you are probably right. I was more playing devil’s advocate in case the magic number is 6 or 7.
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